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		<title>By: Michael Wheeler</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/27/porosity/comment-page-1/#comment-80756</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wheeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris,

Great post. We are attempting to incorporate our process as integral to our relationship with audience in the next Praxis production (can&#039;t name it until the press release goes out). In any case, I just assigned this post as reading material for the next rehearsal. They&#039;re probably reading this right now. Hi Cast!</description>
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<p>Great post. We are attempting to incorporate our process as integral to our relationship with audience in the next Praxis production (can&#8217;t name it until the press release goes out). In any case, I just assigned this post as reading material for the next rehearsal. They&#8217;re probably reading this right now. Hi Cast!</p>
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		<title>By: krisjoseph</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/27/porosity/comment-page-1/#comment-80628</link>
		<dc:creator>krisjoseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing truly WORTH doing is simple.  But calling it simple makes starting it feel easier ;)</description>
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		<title>By: Brian M. Carroll</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/27/porosity/comment-page-1/#comment-80626</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian M. Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris,

&quot;it’s NOT about the PRESENTATION. I don’t feel I’ve been clear enough about that.&quot;

Hey, it&#039;s a blog, not a published book.

Thanks for the concrete example of &quot;using the NAC production of Christmas Carol as a chance for the company to work with some of the countless Ottawa groups battling poverty and homelessness&quot;.

I can see the potential for both art and impact on the community.  See Dorothy O&#039;Connell&#039;s &quot;Chicklet Gomez&quot; and &quot;Cockeyed Optimists&quot;.  I can also see the potential for Sturgeon&#039;s Law (90% of everything is crap).  Take the example of the naive character Miles in The Drawer Boy, whose only contribution to &quot;The Farm Show&quot; has huge consequences for the farmers with whom he is billeted, and from whom he draws that contribution.

Sturgeon&#039;s Law is not an excuse not to try something.

But it is a warning that art, like all endeavour, is not &quot;so simple&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris,</p>
<p>&#8220;it’s NOT about the PRESENTATION. I don’t feel I’ve been clear enough about that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, it&#8217;s a blog, not a published book.</p>
<p>Thanks for the concrete example of &#8220;using the NAC production of Christmas Carol as a chance for the company to work with some of the countless Ottawa groups battling poverty and homelessness&#8221;.</p>
<p>I can see the potential for both art and impact on the community.  See Dorothy O&#8217;Connell&#8217;s &#8220;Chicklet Gomez&#8221; and &#8220;Cockeyed Optimists&#8221;.  I can also see the potential for Sturgeon&#8217;s Law (90% of everything is crap).  Take the example of the naive character Miles in The Drawer Boy, whose only contribution to &#8220;The Farm Show&#8221; has huge consequences for the farmers with whom he is billeted, and from whom he draws that contribution.</p>
<p>Sturgeon&#8217;s Law is not an excuse not to try something.</p>
<p>But it is a warning that art, like all endeavour, is not &#8220;so simple&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/27/porosity/comment-page-1/#comment-80536</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Brian I agree that for most people, watching a rehearsal, would be like doing to the dentist.  I think it is part of a larger whole.

Daisey says it well in &quot;How Theater Failed America&quot;.  Board members, Artistic Directors, Community members are more concerned with a new theater building, than the people inside the building.  Instead of getting that shiny new toilet, with a plague from a donor, how about that donor help support a resident artist who is able to live in the community, have a steady job, support a family without having to travel across the country, and give back to that smaller community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian I agree that for most people, watching a rehearsal, would be like doing to the dentist.  I think it is part of a larger whole.</p>
<p>Daisey says it well in &#8220;How Theater Failed America&#8221;.  Board members, Artistic Directors, Community members are more concerned with a new theater building, than the people inside the building.  Instead of getting that shiny new toilet, with a plague from a donor, how about that donor help support a resident artist who is able to live in the community, have a steady job, support a family without having to travel across the country, and give back to that smaller community.</p>
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		<title>By: krisjoseph</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/27/porosity/comment-page-1/#comment-80535</link>
		<dc:creator>krisjoseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you, Brian, but I think you&#039;re missing something really key about what I mean by audience engagement in process.  It&#039;s not about opening up a rehearsal hall and making people sit through the painstaking process of crafting moments -- UNLESS you have audience members who keenly want to do that.  Nor is it about PRESENTING a work for an audience that is &quot;in progress&quot; and saying it&#039;s about process.  As an aside, though, I would offer that the instances that make you squirm in your seat are the ones that do it BADLY -- and I would never advocate that in any context.

&quot;Engaging in process&quot; about meeting your community on their level for the purpose of helping them reflect, grow, evolve, or otherwise serve their objectives.  Imagine, for example, using the NAC production of Christmas Carol as a chance for the company to work with some of the countless Ottawa groups battling poverty and homelessness.  We assist them in their cause, and by doing so, gain a better understanding for ourselves of the work we are trying to create on stage.  It DOESN&#039;T mean stopping Christmas Carol after scene three to insert a dull Mission-inspired interpretive dance about local soup kitchens.  That&#039;s the OLD paradigm, mined painfully by groups whose work makes you squirm.  The &lt;em&gt;participation IN community&lt;/em&gt; is engagement in PROCESS... finding new ways of charging an audience for things that that are boring &lt;em&gt;is NOT&lt;/em&gt;.  None of what I&#039;m advocating involves you even BEING in a seat that you can squirm out of -- it&#039;s NOT about the PRESENTATION.  I don&#039;t feel I&#039;ve been clear enough about that.

ART, people, is NOT ABOUT MAKING A PROFIT.  Are you listening, Harper?  Did you LISTEN to the LYRICS of the song you sang at the gala?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you, Brian, but I think you&#8217;re missing something really key about what I mean by audience engagement in process.  It&#8217;s not about opening up a rehearsal hall and making people sit through the painstaking process of crafting moments &#8212; UNLESS you have audience members who keenly want to do that.  Nor is it about PRESENTING a work for an audience that is &#8220;in progress&#8221; and saying it&#8217;s about process.  As an aside, though, I would offer that the instances that make you squirm in your seat are the ones that do it BADLY &#8212; and I would never advocate that in any context.</p>
<p>&#8220;Engaging in process&#8221; about meeting your community on their level for the purpose of helping them reflect, grow, evolve, or otherwise serve their objectives.  Imagine, for example, using the NAC production of Christmas Carol as a chance for the company to work with some of the countless Ottawa groups battling poverty and homelessness.  We assist them in their cause, and by doing so, gain a better understanding for ourselves of the work we are trying to create on stage.  It DOESN&#8217;T mean stopping Christmas Carol after scene three to insert a dull Mission-inspired interpretive dance about local soup kitchens.  That&#8217;s the OLD paradigm, mined painfully by groups whose work makes you squirm.  The <em>participation IN community</em> is engagement in PROCESS&#8230; finding new ways of charging an audience for things that that are boring <em>is NOT</em>.  None of what I&#8217;m advocating involves you even BEING in a seat that you can squirm out of &#8212; it&#8217;s NOT about the PRESENTATION.  I don&#8217;t feel I&#8217;ve been clear enough about that.</p>
<p>ART, people, is NOT ABOUT MAKING A PROFIT.  Are you listening, Harper?  Did you LISTEN to the LYRICS of the song you sang at the gala?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Carroll</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/27/porosity/comment-page-1/#comment-80533</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so sick of seeing &quot;art as process&quot; work that I usually run screaming from the room.  But there&#039;s a small subset I do attend (and pay money for).  I take chances on Robert Lepage productions, even though I know I&#039;ll never see the &quot;final&quot; version.  I attend Third Wall Theatre first readings and am charged with anticipation to see the final production.  I saw a very early version of Arthur Milner&#039;s &quot;Facts&quot; at the Winnipeg Fringe and raved about it to Arthur and Lise Ann Johnson.  I saw a staged reading of Beverley Wolfe&#039;s &quot;Jump&quot; and encouraged her to stick with it.

Kris and Chris turned me off until I read Chris&#039;s salient point:  Edit out the boring bits.  

That&#039;s what I detest about most of the &quot;Art as process&quot; stuff that makes
me squirm in my seat.  Nobody&#039;s edited out the boring stuff.  Sometimes someone&#039;s revelling in making the work inaccessible to peons like me.  Often they&#039;re just being lazy.  Sometimes... Oh how the hell do I know why somebody puts boring crap up on stage?

I disagree with Chris about the final production being the sawdust.  But I heartily agree about relationships.  I take chances on companies and directors and actors whose work I know.  Sometimes it pays off:  I saw &quot;Iron&quot; because Margo MacDonald and Kate Smith were in it.  The whole production blew me away.  

And sometimes it doesn&#039;t.  I&#039;ve told successive ADs at GCTC that there should be one play a year that I don&#039;t like, otherwise they&#039;re not taking enough chances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sick of seeing &#8220;art as process&#8221; work that I usually run screaming from the room.  But there&#8217;s a small subset I do attend (and pay money for).  I take chances on Robert Lepage productions, even though I know I&#8217;ll never see the &#8220;final&#8221; version.  I attend Third Wall Theatre first readings and am charged with anticipation to see the final production.  I saw a very early version of Arthur Milner&#8217;s &#8220;Facts&#8221; at the Winnipeg Fringe and raved about it to Arthur and Lise Ann Johnson.  I saw a staged reading of Beverley Wolfe&#8217;s &#8220;Jump&#8221; and encouraged her to stick with it.</p>
<p>Kris and Chris turned me off until I read Chris&#8217;s salient point:  Edit out the boring bits.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I detest about most of the &#8220;Art as process&#8221; stuff that makes<br />
me squirm in my seat.  Nobody&#8217;s edited out the boring stuff.  Sometimes someone&#8217;s revelling in making the work inaccessible to peons like me.  Often they&#8217;re just being lazy.  Sometimes&#8230; Oh how the hell do I know why somebody puts boring crap up on stage?</p>
<p>I disagree with Chris about the final production being the sawdust.  But I heartily agree about relationships.  I take chances on companies and directors and actors whose work I know.  Sometimes it pays off:  I saw &#8220;Iron&#8221; because Margo MacDonald and Kate Smith were in it.  The whole production blew me away.  </p>
<p>And sometimes it doesn&#8217;t.  I&#8217;ve told successive ADs at GCTC that there should be one play a year that I don&#8217;t like, otherwise they&#8217;re not taking enough chances.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, my favorite part, &quot;theatre artists must be integral parts of the communities in which they are based&quot;.  I agree that outreach and education will flow out of the core function.  We need to stop having &quot;community actor&quot; mean non-professional.  Check out what Cal Shakes is doing with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.calshakes.org/v4/newworks/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New Works/New Communities&lt;/a&gt; to see how they are telling local community stories.

I recently experienced what Ashworth was talking about.  It was at our understudy run at the local LORT theater. It was a glorified tech. rehearsal, but since it was our only time to rehearse on stage we treated as a full run-thru, and were able to invite guests.  In attendance were a group of high school acting students, theater office staff, along with my wife, and young baby. 

We ran through most of the show, and only stopped when an actor had to switch roles within the same scene, to practice the other part.  The high school students were into the show, and my wife commented  that she really enjoyed watching the process in a low-key atmoshpere (she comes from a non-theater background).  

Also, we were able to have our 5-month baby there, which would not be able to happen at a performance.  My wife got to see most of the show, and a glimpse into my &quot;process&quot; as an actor.  The students got to sit in on a professional rehearsal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, my favorite part, &#8220;theatre artists must be integral parts of the communities in which they are based&#8221;.  I agree that outreach and education will flow out of the core function.  We need to stop having &#8220;community actor&#8221; mean non-professional.  Check out what Cal Shakes is doing with <a href="http://www.calshakes.org/v4/newworks/index.html" rel="nofollow">New Works/New Communities</a> to see how they are telling local community stories.</p>
<p>I recently experienced what Ashworth was talking about.  It was at our understudy run at the local LORT theater. It was a glorified tech. rehearsal, but since it was our only time to rehearse on stage we treated as a full run-thru, and were able to invite guests.  In attendance were a group of high school acting students, theater office staff, along with my wife, and young baby. </p>
<p>We ran through most of the show, and only stopped when an actor had to switch roles within the same scene, to practice the other part.  The high school students were into the show, and my wife commented  that she really enjoyed watching the process in a low-key atmoshpere (she comes from a non-theater background).  </p>
<p>Also, we were able to have our 5-month baby there, which would not be able to happen at a performance.  My wife got to see most of the show, and a glimpse into my &#8220;process&#8221; as an actor.  The students got to sit in on a professional rehearsal.</p>
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