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		<title>By: David Whiteley</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/19/taking-shakespeare-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-80286</link>
		<dc:creator>David Whiteley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bart:  TOO FUNNY!  Oh man, if I had pre-lined-up pro bono support for a potential suit, I would TOTALLY go ahead with ZOMBOCEROS, deliberately using that Ionescovian reference in the title, and possibly even bait the estate for publicity purposes by making good and sure they knew I was creating a new &quot;inspired by&quot; work.  If you&#039;re serious that your old senior partner might be in, let&#039;s totally talk:  david@ncf.ca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart:  TOO FUNNY!  Oh man, if I had pre-lined-up pro bono support for a potential suit, I would TOTALLY go ahead with ZOMBOCEROS, deliberately using that Ionescovian reference in the title, and possibly even bait the estate for publicity purposes by making good and sure they knew I was creating a new &#8220;inspired by&#8221; work.  If you&#8217;re serious that your old senior partner might be in, let&#8217;s totally talk:  <a href="mailto:david@ncf.ca">david@ncf.ca</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: David Whiteley</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/19/taking-shakespeare-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-82936</link>
		<dc:creator>David Whiteley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bart:  TOO FUNNY!  Oh man, if I had pre-lined-up pro bono support for a potential suit, I would TOTALLY go ahead with ZOMBOCEROS, deliberately using that Ionescovian reference in the title, and possibly even bait the estate for publicity purposes by making good and sure they knew I was creating a new &quot;inspired by&quot; work.  If you&#039;re serious that your old senior partner might be in, let&#039;s totally talk:  david@ncf.ca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bart:  TOO FUNNY!  Oh man, if I had pre-lined-up pro bono support for a potential suit, I would TOTALLY go ahead with ZOMBOCEROS, deliberately using that Ionescovian reference in the title, and possibly even bait the estate for publicity purposes by making good and sure they knew I was creating a new &#8220;inspired by&#8221; work.  If you&#8217;re serious that your old senior partner might be in, let&#8217;s totally talk:  <a href="mailto:david@ncf.ca">david@ncf.ca</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/19/taking-shakespeare-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-80263</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually David, despite what I said earlier, you might be able to convince someone to take on your case pro bono for the very reasons you mention. Canadian copyright lawyers don&#039;t get that many chances to cut their teeth on a juicy and public issue like defending a play called ZOMBOCEROS. My old senior partner would probably adore standing up to Ionesco&#039;s estate over something like this, just on principal and for the publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually David, despite what I said earlier, you might be able to convince someone to take on your case pro bono for the very reasons you mention. Canadian copyright lawyers don&#8217;t get that many chances to cut their teeth on a juicy and public issue like defending a play called ZOMBOCEROS. My old senior partner would probably adore standing up to Ionesco&#8217;s estate over something like this, just on principal and for the publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/19/taking-shakespeare-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-82935</link>
		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually David, despite what I said earlier, you might be able to convince someone to take on your case pro bono for the very reasons you mention. Canadian copyright lawyers don&#039;t get that many chances to cut their teeth on a juicy and public issue like defending a play called ZOMBOCEROS. My old senior partner would probably adore standing up to Ionesco&#039;s estate over something like this, just on principal and for the publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually David, despite what I said earlier, you might be able to convince someone to take on your case pro bono for the very reasons you mention. Canadian copyright lawyers don&#8217;t get that many chances to cut their teeth on a juicy and public issue like defending a play called ZOMBOCEROS. My old senior partner would probably adore standing up to Ionesco&#8217;s estate over something like this, just on principal and for the publicity.</p>
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		<title>By: David Whiteley</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/19/taking-shakespeare-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-80261</link>
		<dc:creator>David Whiteley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For sure it&#039;s frustrating, as you point out Kris, that my efforts (and far more importantly, those of countless other aspiring creators) have to be directed towards understanding copyright OR ELSE they must shy away from &quot;inspired by&quot; creation because of uncertainties or misconceptions surrounding it (e.g. taking the lead from more restrictive American law and not realizing what&#039;s legally possible here in Canada).

And Bart, absolutely the &quot;chill factor&quot; is a very serious extension beyond the limits imposed by the law.  As I say, the Canadian Intellectual Property Office makes it clear that in Canada plot &amp; character are fair game, YET who&#039;s to say Ionesco&#039;s estate (or for someone else, Disney Corp. or whoever) won&#039;t drum up an excuse to launch a suit in spite of this, which poor little individual creators have no resources to defend against.

I suppose the only compensating thought I can have is:  what brilliant publicity would it be for ZOMBOCEROS (as I&#039;d really like to call it if I had the courage to risk the suit) to generate a lawsuit against me.  And really, what&#039;s the financial risk? A Cease and Desist Order?  Pay the value of the rights had I obtained them?  (I&#039;m reminded of Craig Walker&#039;s decision to ignore a Stratford Festival lawyer&#039;s letter threatening a suit if Theatre Kingston proceeded to use an image of Shakespeare owned by the Festival to publicize a Shakespearean production, on the basis that the attention gained would be much better for the company &amp; production than any financial compensation they might be forced to pay.)  But the fear of it being much more than that—hell, the fear that I&#039;d actually have to resort to hiring lawyers alone, or that I&#039;d have to pay Ionesco&#039;s estate&#039;s legal fees—quickly dismisses that fanciful thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sure it&#8217;s frustrating, as you point out Kris, that my efforts (and far more importantly, those of countless other aspiring creators) have to be directed towards understanding copyright OR ELSE they must shy away from &#8220;inspired by&#8221; creation because of uncertainties or misconceptions surrounding it (e.g. taking the lead from more restrictive American law and not realizing what&#8217;s legally possible here in Canada).</p>
<p>And Bart, absolutely the &#8220;chill factor&#8221; is a very serious extension beyond the limits imposed by the law.  As I say, the Canadian Intellectual Property Office makes it clear that in Canada plot &amp; character are fair game, YET who&#8217;s to say Ionesco&#8217;s estate (or for someone else, Disney Corp. or whoever) won&#8217;t drum up an excuse to launch a suit in spite of this, which poor little individual creators have no resources to defend against.</p>
<p>I suppose the only compensating thought I can have is:  what brilliant publicity would it be for ZOMBOCEROS (as I&#8217;d really like to call it if I had the courage to risk the suit) to generate a lawsuit against me.  And really, what&#8217;s the financial risk? A Cease and Desist Order?  Pay the value of the rights had I obtained them?  (I&#8217;m reminded of Craig Walker&#8217;s decision to ignore a Stratford Festival lawyer&#8217;s letter threatening a suit if Theatre Kingston proceeded to use an image of Shakespeare owned by the Festival to publicize a Shakespearean production, on the basis that the attention gained would be much better for the company &amp; production than any financial compensation they might be forced to pay.)  But the fear of it being much more than that—hell, the fear that I&#8217;d actually have to resort to hiring lawyers alone, or that I&#8217;d have to pay Ionesco&#8217;s estate&#8217;s legal fees—quickly dismisses that fanciful thought.</p>
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		<title>By: David Whiteley</title>
		<link>http://www.krisjoseph.ca/2009/10/19/taking-shakespeare-to-court/comment-page-1/#comment-82934</link>
		<dc:creator>David Whiteley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For sure it&#039;s frustrating, as you point out Kris, that my efforts (and far more importantly, those of countless other aspiring creators) have to be directed towards understanding copyright OR ELSE they must shy away from &quot;inspired by&quot; creation because of uncertainties or misconceptions surrounding it (e.g. taking the lead from more restrictive American law and not realizing what&#039;s legally possible here in Canada).

And Bart, absolutely the &quot;chill factor&quot; is a very serious extension beyond the limits imposed by the law.  As I say, the Canadian Intellectual Property Office makes it clear that in Canada plot &amp; character are fair game, YET who&#039;s to say Ionesco&#039;s estate (or for someone else, Disney Corp. or whoever) won&#039;t drum up an excuse to launch a suit in spite of this, which poor little individual creators have no resources to defend against.

I suppose the only compensating thought I can have is:  what brilliant publicity would it be for ZOMBOCEROS (as I&#039;d really like to call it if I had the courage to risk the suit) to generate a lawsuit against me.  And really, what&#039;s the financial risk? A Cease and Desist Order?  Pay the value of the rights had I obtained them?  (I&#039;m reminded of Craig Walker&#039;s decision to ignore a Stratford Festival lawyer&#039;s letter threatening a suit if Theatre Kingston proceeded to use an image of Shakespeare owned by the Festival to publicize a Shakespearean production, on the basis that the attention gained would be much better for the company &amp; production than any financial compensation they might be forced to pay.)  But the fear of it being much more than that—hell, the fear that I&#039;d actually have to resort to hiring lawyers alone, or that I&#039;d have to pay Ionesco&#039;s estate&#039;s legal fees—quickly dismisses that fanciful thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For sure it&#8217;s frustrating, as you point out Kris, that my efforts (and far more importantly, those of countless other aspiring creators) have to be directed towards understanding copyright OR ELSE they must shy away from &#8220;inspired by&#8221; creation because of uncertainties or misconceptions surrounding it (e.g. taking the lead from more restrictive American law and not realizing what&#8217;s legally possible here in Canada).</p>
<p>And Bart, absolutely the &#8220;chill factor&#8221; is a very serious extension beyond the limits imposed by the law.  As I say, the Canadian Intellectual Property Office makes it clear that in Canada plot &amp; character are fair game, YET who&#8217;s to say Ionesco&#8217;s estate (or for someone else, Disney Corp. or whoever) won&#8217;t drum up an excuse to launch a suit in spite of this, which poor little individual creators have no resources to defend against.</p>
<p>I suppose the only compensating thought I can have is:  what brilliant publicity would it be for ZOMBOCEROS (as I&#8217;d really like to call it if I had the courage to risk the suit) to generate a lawsuit against me.  And really, what&#8217;s the financial risk? A Cease and Desist Order?  Pay the value of the rights had I obtained them?  (I&#8217;m reminded of Craig Walker&#8217;s decision to ignore a Stratford Festival lawyer&#8217;s letter threatening a suit if Theatre Kingston proceeded to use an image of Shakespeare owned by the Festival to publicize a Shakespearean production, on the basis that the attention gained would be much better for the company &amp; production than any financial compensation they might be forced to pay.)  But the fear of it being much more than that—hell, the fear that I&#8217;d actually have to resort to hiring lawyers alone, or that I&#8217;d have to pay Ionesco&#8217;s estate&#8217;s legal fees—quickly dismisses that fanciful thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only point I would add to the excellent points made above is that much of the problem and lack of clarity with modern copyright law lays not so much in the laws themselves (not that they aren&#039;t problematic) but with the inevitable power imbalance between the parties involved. You can allege the strangest interpretations of copyright law you like as long as you sue people too poor to defend themselves. Take the RIAA file-sharing lawsuits as an example. Many lawyers agreed that they had little chance of success, but the vast majority of people sued settled rather than fight it out in court.

As a copyright lawyer myself, I would argue that Shakespeare is likely in the clear for all of his plays because, while the ideas, basic plots and facts may have been borrowed, the actual text of the plays themselves is original. It’s the expression of the ideas that is protected, not the ideas themselves.

That being said, if DanishCorp, Inc., the Elizabethan multinational corporation (makers of fine products such as Hamlet™ brand grave digging services and the ever-popular Ophelia™ brand swimsuit) had decided to take a run at poor Will with a massive lawsuit alleging defamation, copyright infringement and/or trademark infringement and demanding an injunction against the play, huge amounts of damages and all of his profits, who could blame him for knuckling under? You may win in the end, but who wants to pay the legal bills in the meantime?

As you say, the problem now is what sort of chilling effect is this uncertainty having on artists and writers? What works aren&#039;t being created or published because the author is afraid of getting sued?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only point I would add to the excellent points made above is that much of the problem and lack of clarity with modern copyright law lays not so much in the laws themselves (not that they aren&#8217;t problematic) but with the inevitable power imbalance between the parties involved. You can allege the strangest interpretations of copyright law you like as long as you sue people too poor to defend themselves. Take the RIAA file-sharing lawsuits as an example. Many lawyers agreed that they had little chance of success, but the vast majority of people sued settled rather than fight it out in court.</p>
<p>As a copyright lawyer myself, I would argue that Shakespeare is likely in the clear for all of his plays because, while the ideas, basic plots and facts may have been borrowed, the actual text of the plays themselves is original. It’s the expression of the ideas that is protected, not the ideas themselves.</p>
<p>That being said, if DanishCorp, Inc., the Elizabethan multinational corporation (makers of fine products such as Hamlet™ brand grave digging services and the ever-popular Ophelia™ brand swimsuit) had decided to take a run at poor Will with a massive lawsuit alleging defamation, copyright infringement and/or trademark infringement and demanding an injunction against the play, huge amounts of damages and all of his profits, who could blame him for knuckling under? You may win in the end, but who wants to pay the legal bills in the meantime?</p>
<p>As you say, the problem now is what sort of chilling effect is this uncertainty having on artists and writers? What works aren&#8217;t being created or published because the author is afraid of getting sued?</p>
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		<title>By: Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only point I would add to the excellent points made above is that much of the problem and lack of clarity with modern copyright law lays not so much in the laws themselves (not that they aren&#039;t problematic) but with the inevitable power imbalance between the parties involved. You can allege the strangest interpretations of copyright law you like as long as you sue people too poor to defend themselves. Take the RIAA file-sharing lawsuits as an example. Many lawyers agreed that they had little chance of success, but the vast majority of people sued settled rather than fight it out in court.

As a copyright lawyer myself, I would argue that Shakespeare is likely in the clear for all of his plays because, while the ideas, basic plots and facts may have been borrowed, the actual text of the plays themselves is original. It’s the expression of the ideas that is protected, not the ideas themselves.

That being said, if DanishCorp, Inc., the Elizabethan multinational corporation (makers of fine products such as Hamlet™ brand grave digging services and the ever-popular Ophelia™ brand swimsuit) had decided to take a run at poor Will with a massive lawsuit alleging defamation, copyright infringement and/or trademark infringement and demanding an injunction against the play, huge amounts of damages and all of his profits, who could blame him for knuckling under? You may win in the end, but who wants to pay the legal bills in the meantime?

As you say, the problem now is what sort of chilling effect is this uncertainty having on artists and writers? What works aren&#039;t being created or published because the author is afraid of getting sued?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only point I would add to the excellent points made above is that much of the problem and lack of clarity with modern copyright law lays not so much in the laws themselves (not that they aren&#8217;t problematic) but with the inevitable power imbalance between the parties involved. You can allege the strangest interpretations of copyright law you like as long as you sue people too poor to defend themselves. Take the RIAA file-sharing lawsuits as an example. Many lawyers agreed that they had little chance of success, but the vast majority of people sued settled rather than fight it out in court.</p>
<p>As a copyright lawyer myself, I would argue that Shakespeare is likely in the clear for all of his plays because, while the ideas, basic plots and facts may have been borrowed, the actual text of the plays themselves is original. It’s the expression of the ideas that is protected, not the ideas themselves.</p>
<p>That being said, if DanishCorp, Inc., the Elizabethan multinational corporation (makers of fine products such as Hamlet™ brand grave digging services and the ever-popular Ophelia™ brand swimsuit) had decided to take a run at poor Will with a massive lawsuit alleging defamation, copyright infringement and/or trademark infringement and demanding an injunction against the play, huge amounts of damages and all of his profits, who could blame him for knuckling under? You may win in the end, but who wants to pay the legal bills in the meantime?</p>
<p>As you say, the problem now is what sort of chilling effect is this uncertainty having on artists and writers? What works aren&#8217;t being created or published because the author is afraid of getting sued?</p>
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		<title>By: krisjoseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>krisjoseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of heady discussion on my latest blog post re: applying modern copyright law to Shakespeare. Check out: &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/2C2PsC&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/2C2PsC&lt;/a&gt; #copycon
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of heady discussion on my latest blog post re: applying modern copyright law to Shakespeare. Check out: <a href="http://bit.ly/2C2PsC" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2C2PsC</a> #copycon<br />
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		<title>By: krisjoseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>krisjoseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow -- lots to chew on there, David, and you&#039;re definitely in the realm of legal opinion.  The little bit of digging I&#039;ve done in the past few minutes suggests that these questions have generally been tested in the courts, even in places like the USA where &quot;derivative work&quot; and &quot;transformativeness&quot; are more clearly defined.  Yech.

At the bottom line, what I find fascinating about your dilemma is that the very nature of it suppresses your expression. You&#039;re caught up in questions of what is or is not allowed -- questions which you and I cannot even answer -- and those &lt;em&gt;questions&lt;/em&gt; are now in the way of you going ahead and improving upon Ionesco with zombies.  Who wins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8212; lots to chew on there, David, and you&#8217;re definitely in the realm of legal opinion.  The little bit of digging I&#8217;ve done in the past few minutes suggests that these questions have generally been tested in the courts, even in places like the USA where &#8220;derivative work&#8221; and &#8220;transformativeness&#8221; are more clearly defined.  Yech.</p>
<p>At the bottom line, what I find fascinating about your dilemma is that the very nature of it suppresses your expression. You&#8217;re caught up in questions of what is or is not allowed &#8212; questions which you and I cannot even answer &#8212; and those <em>questions</em> are now in the way of you going ahead and improving upon Ionesco with zombies.  Who wins?</p>
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